We're back at
7:36 minutes, you can see the cable here, what
have I done with the microphone, anyway, what we're going to do, I
'm going to give way to Monica
while I check this thing about the
microphone cable, I think Monica has gone
to a jewelry eh that never stops
surprising us with projects that have
to do with culture with heritage
with history
indeed Alfredo we are in
regent jewelry stores because we have come to
learn about a project that aims to talk
about history through its jewelry
we have with us at director of
regent jewelry stores Juan Salvador Very
good afternoon Hello, good afternoon,
you continue with that project that
you started in 2010 on the
culture of the society of thousands, in this
case with a collection Eh, well, it is
intended to take a journey through
history with coins old Yes yes
eh a coin collection Eh well we have
been bringing it from
international auctions with a
very good state of conservation for
this type of coins and they are coins in
principle Roman Arabs eh Greek and
from the Macedonian empire and And well Well
now you will see, let's say the result of the
transfer to the jewelry store, not in necklaces,
chokers, earrings, rings, in short,
what can be transferred to the jewelry store and
the truth is that we are very happy with
the result. Yes, a collection that
is called the value in the History, how
old can these pieces be? Well,
these pieces are from approximately
the 3rd century BC to the
2nd 3rd century after Christ, that is, 2000 20,000
years. Don't worry, let's go more or less around
that time. Yes, it does lock
jewelry with coins. of these
characteristics Well, look at the moment not
touching I mean the coin cannot
lose anything in the sense of any
welding or anything I mean the coin has to
be intact move it to some
fences eh with a cart everything everything
has been worked on in 18 carat gold
and above all because of the possibility that
the client has in the future Well, if he
wants to make a coin if it is
mounted in a pendant, he wants to make another
type of jewel so that he can
take it out and he can continue with with with the
currency that is really what has
value in this case all are in silver if
the coins How did the idea of ​​doing
this project arise Well continuing a little
we have already
historically started with the topic
of archeology with the society of
thousands and looking for new things,
always looking for something that could be transferred to
jewelry but that also had a
cultural value behind it, that is to say, something
that said something more than a beautiful jewel,
which in fact are beautiful jewels
but that said something more than a
jewel, eh Let's say that it has a
beauty, no, and that's where we have
been researching and looking for things and
apart from that we are still making
new collections within the
archeology within the society of the
Ares of the Phoenician palm tree, all of that we
continue to work about that
but this is like a continuation
At the end of the day it is not archeology but it
is ancient history it is like a
continuation of a
primitive archeology project If you
continue working with the idea there are
coins from the area look right now
Now we are looking for the
Hispano-Arabic currency of the
Caliphate of Córdoba and the
taifa kingdoms in which
Almería also had an
incorporation of the
Almerian currency and that is what we are
working on precisely now and we are going
to transfer it. Also the same as
hanging earrings, the same thing,
transfer it to the jewelry store right
now, what we have, I have already
told you that they are
coins from a previous era, but we are going
to work on Hispano-Arabic Arabic currency,
you just found that it is difficult to find
coins with these characteristics, it is that
There is a lot of coin, that is, what happens is that
we need to logically
transfer it to the jewelry store. That they have a
state of conservation for their time,
practically perfect, so it is not
so easy, it is complicated. Yes, right now
you have about 40 pieces that you will continue
to expand. Yes, we have right now. between
40 to 50 pieces already assembled, others are being
assembled but hey, I already told you that
right now the search is in
Spanish-Arabic currency and to transfer it and look for something
that has some reference to Almería. Thank you
very much Juan, not at all delighted with
you Alfredo Well, a more
interesting project than We know in Almería that
here we never stop surprising ourselves with the
culture. Of course we never stop
surprising ourselves and of course I see you
with one of those pendants,
showing off
how outrageous. Well, hey, look. Yes, yes,
yes, now,
write it down, I'm going to say. Not for Mother's Day,
but not for
Reporter's Day. PR, my birthday. For your birthday, there is
also
Reporter's Day. No, I'll see it later. Hey, mate.
See you tomorrow. There are days for everything. You already
know that. That's why surely, surely,
it exists. Until tomorrow, rest
until tomorrow and take care of that voice. Until
tomorrow, bye.
Oh, the other day, I read somewhere
a statement from my next
guest that caught my attention. The
Andalusian autonomous process is one of the topics
that has generated the most hoaxes in The last
half century was a statement by Rafael
Martos, a journalist from Almería, a journalist, a
writer, a colleague of this house because he
is a member of Antonio
Felipe Rubio's gathering, friend Rafael. Very good
afternoon, how are you, welcome, Thank you for
inviting me to your house, no, thank you, because I
wanted us to talk about about this book,
how good it is that it is very much in line with this
day that we celebrated
yesterday, the day of Andalusia. But it is true
that your statement that this
process of Andalusian autonomy is one
of the ones that has raised the most hoaxes, I
believe. Yes, because look, I started, uh, the
origin of this book was a
non-legal proposal that the socialist party presented
in the Andalusian parliament,
right at I think it was the year in
which Juan Moreno became president
with a citizen and the support from vox The psoe
presents a pnl for
February 28, not one for good to praise
that day, no and and of course I realize that
the motion itself presented by the
socialist party is full of
historical falsehoods but that is not the only thing that
when I listened For those who were in
the
government, things were even
worse. And then I was encouraged at that
moment by an article denying everything they
were saying and then they
encouraged me from this editorial by
Johan Monf to expand on the clear topic and
so I began to speak from the
pre-aut economic era and from the pre-
transition period, even from when it was created, the
youngest people will not remember it, the democratic junta and
the
democratic plat and the role that
Andalusism begins to play at that moment.
How to begin to consider Andalusianism
and and then eh with the issue of 28f
specifically in the case of Almería but
also how do we get out of that quagmire
that occurs and many more things don't And that is to
say that there are many things that are
lies, it's 40 years of reconstructing
a history Of course But why
such a relatively recent story was the day
before yesterday has not given rise to so many
shadows around it because when is
when it is easy to verify? Yes,
but notice, there is a very
curious fact for you to see that readiness
with the fact that things change
eh it turns out that when
a blockade of Andalusian autonomy occurs eh there is a blockage of
Andalusian autonomy and subsequently the
unlocking comes Not that unlocking eh the
newspapers of the time all the
newspapers of the time headline that it has
been a success achieved by the party
Andalusian for the PSA and for Rojas Mar
noo there were any Rojas Marc
eh he gets it again on
December 4 that is, exalting and saying that the
person who had achieved that was the
PSA and Rojas Marcos in particular well
that happened One day a week a week later
the Andalusian socialist party was the
great enemy that had sold Andalusia
and had achieved everything thanks to the
Spanish socialist workers party he says but how
can this be How how how can it
have changed if all
the media coincided
cl Well, from That's where the hoax begins,
not a hoax that leads to, for
example,
eh, the importance that
the right of the time had in quotation marks is not perceived,
that is, if autonomy is achieved, it
cannot be only thanks to the psoe because
the
psoe was less of half of the
parliamentarians, uh, thanks to who it is
achieved, well it is achieved. Thanks
basically to the ucd. In other words, if Andalusia
has autonomy and it has it for 151, it is
more thanks to the ucd and the PSA than to the
PSOE itself because, for example,
Alianza Popular was at that time
extra-parliamentary, that is, in the congress
of deputies, there was no
parliamentarian from Alianza Popular for
any Andalusian constituency.
So when the assembly of
parliamentarians was created prior to the entire
autonomous process, there was no one from AP, that is,
the entire The current PP of Almería and
Andalusia really comes from where it comes from
the ucd no no from Alianza Popular and
the ucd in Madrid said no to
autonomy but for example in Almería
they asked for the referendum eh which was the
previous step they asked for it almost the 100%
of the Almeria town councils
here carried out a survey of the cis eh at
that time when they did not fail eh you
had to see the questions you had to
see the questions that are reflected in the
book because they are not
wasted no Well, despite
even Those questions, the people of
Almería, for example, did
want autonomy,
but they wanted it the slow way. It's not
clear that when they told you the
question, the government party that
wants the best is in favor of
autonomy for Andalusia. Article
143 but the left-wing parties
want to go much faster. What do you
think is clear to the people?
Whatever the government says, we are in a time of transition.
It has been about let's
relax and they have mentioned that
we did want autonomy however What
happened in the referendum Why is it said
that Almería voted no to the referendum Well
because that lie is clearly lied Of
course because the referendum was held and there
were around to 111,000 people from Almería who
said yes and around 10,000 11,000
who said No, yes, I am literate, but I
think that's as far as I got. 111,000 is more
than 11,000. Well, what happens?
The requirements established by the
referendum were that for the result
was Yes, that is, for it to be understood as
supported, the initiative had to
have an absolute majority on the
electoral roll, that is, there had to be
more, the s had to be more than half
of the electoral roll, not of the voters
but of the census. electoral And that for 2% It
seems to me that it was or a one and a bit for c it was
not achieved so of course there was
a pout but a pout the opposite
of what is usually said no because it was
like carrying a full ballot box That is to say, I
have already The No what to say the
abstention the vote eh No the votes that
are
null all that counts in favor of the no and
the s only the c so of course it is as
if it were and and there you realize
something else because there was another detail
eh of eight
In seven provinces the referendum came out
without a problem. So since it didn't come out in
Almería, all of Andalusia was left without
autonomy because of
151. That's not very democratic. No, if there
is, if out of eight, seven say one thing
and one says the opposite, what has been done is done.
The opposite has been said, but
you also have to say that in Almería the CIEs were 10
times more than the Noes, but the
Noes won, so it really was that's
precisely why
this blockade occurred, not because we're going to see,
okay, from now on
Of course, if you abide by the law, the
whole of Andalusia would have given in to
autonomy by
143, that is to say, it's not the hoax either. This is not
that we Almerians said that
we did not want to be in Andalusia. No, if
that was not asked, of course, the question
is not. It was that. The question is, do you
want Andalusia to have autonomy
through article 151 and the people said yes or
no?
200
years ago practically eh that's when
the province of Almería was created eh Because
before it wasn't even Almería it was
Granada So it has always
been part of
Andalusia always even when at
some point we talk about two Andalusias we
talk about two Andalusias that is,
Andalusia the Eastern and the Western
but there is nothing else different, it is
Andalusia and and Rafa why the change
from 4d to 28f Well really, how was it
articulated because it was articulated in a way
that in my opinion was illegal because a
decision made by one body alone It can
be revoked by that same body. The
assembly of parliamentarians decided
that December 1st would be
Andalusia Day. It did so for the first
demonstration that took place in 1977 and from
then on it was established as Andalusia Day.
But one time that the
28th referendum is held
eh The central government now establishes that
the autonomous communities eh can
choose
holidays and there motu Rafael
Escuredo
decides that February 28 is a
regional holiday as the day of Andalusia and he
removes the other one, come on no You can do it
by decree if the other one has done it by a
different body. But well, the fact is that it was
chosen because it was a holiday when
you notice there is another very interesting detail
and that is that when that day, December 4, is chosen
as a holiday, Andalusia later,
apart from the demonstration of
'77, it is done,
taking into account that it is not
always going to be done, but it is going to be done on the first
Sunday of December. And why? Well,
because the parliamentarians understand it at a
distance from the communists. But
often immediately the first to
show his support in the ucd that
Andalusia is a land of work and
that here we have to work that we cannot
lose nonsense that then
Andalusia has its day but that the
day is from the outset a holiday that is not
celebrated Don't believe it's just another holiday that we
have to give that Andalusia has to
show that it is a
hard-working land, mind you, it's for those who
later call us lazy and those
things don't And one
detail is: where the day of the referendum is decided
What day It will be the referendum
where in Almería you don't give me days in Almería
is where it is decided that the referendum will be the 28th ugly
that decision is made in
Almería in a meeting that the
parliamentarians have in Almería it is curious
well because all those things and many
more are In this book that we have
here in Andalusia Free, he talks about the post-truth
built on the fight for
Andalusian autonomy, the work of Rafael Martos,
who was kind enough to come and
present it to the Rafa program. Thank you very much
for having done it and
congratulations on the work. Well, I hope
I hope help us better understand our
self of course our own story yes
we leave tomorrow we will be
back with all of you Starting at
6:30 with more topics and with more
arguments to share with with that with
you We hope that you are well
happy take good care of yourself until
tomorrow